Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
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Re: Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
cokla napisal/-a:KLIK !
http://24ur.com/novice/crna-kronika/hit ... mostu.html
To so zadnje informacije o vzroku karambola. Kriva je strela.
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Re: Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
»Problem z dejstvi je v tem, da jih je tako veliko.« Samuel McChord Crothers
Re: Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
OK, zaradi udara strele se je ustavil prvi vlak, nikakor pa to ne more biti vzrok, da se je nato sledeči vlak zaletel vanj. Razen če vozijo s 300 na uro po preglednosti.dare20 napisal/-a:cokla napisal/-a:KLIK !
http://24ur.com/novice/crna-kronika/hit ... mostu.html
To so zadnje informacije o vzroku karambola. Kriva je strela.
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Re: Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
155 milj/h.
Če pa prebereš članek v celoti, vidiš, da so imeli zadnje čase na kitajskem ogromno težav z varnostjo prometa po tirih. Vzroki? Razno razni, tudi korupcija...
Če pa prebereš članek v celoti, vidiš, da so imeli zadnje čase na kitajskem ogromno težav z varnostjo prometa po tirih. Vzroki? Razno razni, tudi korupcija...
»Problem z dejstvi je v tem, da jih je tako veliko.« Samuel McChord Crothers
Re: Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
A to so razbili tega, made in China kloniranega Siemensa?
LP, Dolfe
Pa zakwa glih jst?!!
Pa zakwa glih jst?!!
Re: Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
Menda ne. Zgleda da sta skupaj šla CRH1, ki je nastal iz Bombardier Regina in CRH2, ki je nastal iz japonskega Shinkansena (Kawasaki).Dolfe napisal/-a:A to so razbili tega, made in China kloniranega Siemensa?
LPB
LPB
Re: Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
Ma,kdo bi vedel,kake imajo tam predpise in kako je poskrbljeno za varnost.Mogoče gre vse bolj po občutku.
Pa kaj bi brez domišljije;svet in ljudje bi bili dolgočasni.
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Ja, to je ogromen preskok v tehniki in tehnologiji...v ozadju pa polfevdalni način vladanja 
Spomnite se, kakšne probleme so imeli v kapitalistični Angliji, ko so privatizirali železnice
Tudi mi se ne moremo preveč hvaliti, pa imamo železnice iz avstroogrske monarhije, ki k sreči ne dovoljujejo visokih hitrosti
Spomnite se, kakšne probleme so imeli v kapitalistični Angliji, ko so privatizirali železnice
Tudi mi se ne moremo preveč hvaliti, pa imamo železnice iz avstroogrske monarhije, ki k sreči ne dovoljujejo visokih hitrosti
»Problem z dejstvi je v tem, da jih je tako veliko.« Samuel McChord Crothers
Re: Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
Torej ni varnostne razdalje med postajami pri njih, oziroma kako sploh vedo, če se kakšen vlak ustavi pred njimi?
Re: Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
Space, pri vlakih za velike hitrosti pozabi na medpostajno varovanje in podobno. Za primer ti podajam spletno stran za signalizacijo TGV-ja. V grobem je proga razdeljena na odseke dolžine cca 1500-2000 m. Seveda je zavorna razdalja krepko daljša, zato vidi strojevodja stanje 3-5 blokov naprej. Zavorni "profil" (ali je to razdalja(?) pa je predvidoma od 7500-10000m, odvisno od verzije. Razmik vlakov je tako lahko od 3-5 min. To je seveda na LGV linijah v Franciji.
Kako imajo Kitajci pa ne vem, v bistvu pa je verjetno nekaj podobnega.
LPL
Kako imajo Kitajci pa ne vem, v bistvu pa je verjetno nekaj podobnega.
LPL
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Shinkansen?
The signaling system of Kushu-Shinkansen. The signaling system which realized a one-step ATC.
Accession number;04A0376312
Title;The signaling system of Kushu-Shinkansen. The signaling system which realized a one-step ATC.
Author; MARUYAMA KOJI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) KODAMA YUJI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) HORIUCHI KAZUHIRO (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) SUGAHARA TAKESHI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) ARA NOBUYUKI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) HASEGAWA TSUYOSHI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) KUNISAWA RYOJI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) HISHINUMA AKIRA (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu)
Journal Title;Kyosan Circular
Journal Code:X0465A
ISSN:0289-5676
VOL.55;NO.3;PAGE.10-21(2004)
Figure&Table&Reference;FIG.21, TBL.1
Pub. Country;Japan
Language;Japanese
Abstract;The title means a system installed on the Kyushu-Shinkansen (about 128km between Shinyatsushiro and Kagoshima-chuo, run at the maximum design speed of 260km/h). This system is a kind of one-step ATC-control, having the stopping pattern at the on-board side, under the conditions, such as: the position of at-front train, opened state of course, temporary speed limit, etc.. The ATC-signal is digitalized, and, for transmission between on-ground and on-board, two waves (train control/detection and temporary speed control) are used. The digital interlocking unit is of interlocking connection processing type, so that, due to the distributed processing by a plurality of logic parts, a high-speed processing is realized. The composition number display unit is of automatic inputting type, having the function of pursuing train, so that the display is made on the monitor screen. The CTC-unit uses a general-purpose high-speed digital line, and also a by-pass line, and the temporary speed unit performs a central concentrated control of 4 speed steps. The signaling equipment is concentratedly monitored by the instruction center, enabling early trouble- detection and preventive maintenance, it is explained.
Na žalost je članek v reviji plačljiv
Ta pa je v japonščini
A Study of Railway Signaling System Design Method through Requirement Analysis and Integrated Life Cycle Cost Evaluation
Fukuda, Mitsuyoshi; Watanabe, Ikuo; Terada, Natsuki; Shimazoe, Toshiyuki; Okutani, Tamio
IEEJ Transactions on Industry Applications, Volume 125, Issue 7, pp. 681-690 (2005).
The railway signaling system should be optimized in accordance with requirements such as maintainability, cost effectiveness, safety, reliability and availability. That optimization, however, tends not to be sufficient necessarily due to its complexities and existing system design methods in the railway signaling field. To resolve this insufficiency, therefore, we propose top-down requirement analysis and integrated life cycle cost evaluation as a new method of the system design. In our method, various indexes of requirement are to be converted into the life cycle cost to enable us to evaluate offspring of various system designs from the appropriate viewpoint. To improve economics of construction for the Shinkansen network expansion, we intend to apply the method of system design of the Shinkansen signaling and to prove that it is effective in all of railway signaling system areas including existing lines. There is no precedent for this kind of methodology in the area of Japanese railway signaling systems. This paper introduces the proposed method with procedures of the requirement analysis and results of the integrated life cycle cost evaluation.
Zadeva je...kompleksna
Tole pa je zastonj, ejga...SAINT Integrated Signaling System with High Reliability and Safety
link: http://www.hitachi.com/ICSFiles/afieldf ... 01_006.pdf
https://webform.rtri.or.jp/ent/entry/ba ... 28-164.pdf
Vendar: poleg vse tehnike moraš imeti ljudi, ki jo obvladajo, s šefi vred!
The signaling system of Kushu-Shinkansen. The signaling system which realized a one-step ATC.
Accession number;04A0376312
Title;The signaling system of Kushu-Shinkansen. The signaling system which realized a one-step ATC.
Author; MARUYAMA KOJI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) KODAMA YUJI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) HORIUCHI KAZUHIRO (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) SUGAHARA TAKESHI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) ARA NOBUYUKI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) HASEGAWA TSUYOSHI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) KUNISAWA RYOJI (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu) HISHINUMA AKIRA (Kyosansakyura Shingojigyobu Shingogijutsubu)
Journal Title;Kyosan Circular
Journal Code:X0465A
ISSN:0289-5676
VOL.55;NO.3;PAGE.10-21(2004)
Figure&Table&Reference;FIG.21, TBL.1
Pub. Country;Japan
Language;Japanese
Abstract;The title means a system installed on the Kyushu-Shinkansen (about 128km between Shinyatsushiro and Kagoshima-chuo, run at the maximum design speed of 260km/h). This system is a kind of one-step ATC-control, having the stopping pattern at the on-board side, under the conditions, such as: the position of at-front train, opened state of course, temporary speed limit, etc.. The ATC-signal is digitalized, and, for transmission between on-ground and on-board, two waves (train control/detection and temporary speed control) are used. The digital interlocking unit is of interlocking connection processing type, so that, due to the distributed processing by a plurality of logic parts, a high-speed processing is realized. The composition number display unit is of automatic inputting type, having the function of pursuing train, so that the display is made on the monitor screen. The CTC-unit uses a general-purpose high-speed digital line, and also a by-pass line, and the temporary speed unit performs a central concentrated control of 4 speed steps. The signaling equipment is concentratedly monitored by the instruction center, enabling early trouble- detection and preventive maintenance, it is explained.
Na žalost je članek v reviji plačljiv
Ta pa je v japonščini
A Study of Railway Signaling System Design Method through Requirement Analysis and Integrated Life Cycle Cost Evaluation
Fukuda, Mitsuyoshi; Watanabe, Ikuo; Terada, Natsuki; Shimazoe, Toshiyuki; Okutani, Tamio
IEEJ Transactions on Industry Applications, Volume 125, Issue 7, pp. 681-690 (2005).
The railway signaling system should be optimized in accordance with requirements such as maintainability, cost effectiveness, safety, reliability and availability. That optimization, however, tends not to be sufficient necessarily due to its complexities and existing system design methods in the railway signaling field. To resolve this insufficiency, therefore, we propose top-down requirement analysis and integrated life cycle cost evaluation as a new method of the system design. In our method, various indexes of requirement are to be converted into the life cycle cost to enable us to evaluate offspring of various system designs from the appropriate viewpoint. To improve economics of construction for the Shinkansen network expansion, we intend to apply the method of system design of the Shinkansen signaling and to prove that it is effective in all of railway signaling system areas including existing lines. There is no precedent for this kind of methodology in the area of Japanese railway signaling systems. This paper introduces the proposed method with procedures of the requirement analysis and results of the integrated life cycle cost evaluation.
Zadeva je...kompleksna
Tole pa je zastonj, ejga...SAINT Integrated Signaling System with High Reliability and Safety
link: http://www.hitachi.com/ICSFiles/afieldf ... 01_006.pdf
https://webform.rtri.or.jp/ent/entry/ba ... 28-164.pdf
Vendar: poleg vse tehnike moraš imeti ljudi, ki jo obvladajo, s šefi vred!
»Problem z dejstvi je v tem, da jih je tako veliko.« Samuel McChord Crothers
Re: Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
APB problems.....
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Re: Nesreča kitajskega hitrega vlak
video...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/vid ... om=2107591
krivec za nesrečo se je javil sam...
Pekinški državni inštitut raziskave in projektiranje signalov in komunikacij na železnici...
The Beijing National Railway Research & Design Institute of Signals and Communications Co. Ltd.
link do China Post v angleščini: http://www.chinapost.com.tw/china/natio ... ailway.htm
Kaznovanja v okviru KP Kitajska pa so se tudi že začela...zaenkrat odpuščeni in izključeni trije šefi...
http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre76m ... ina-train/
zamislite si, da bi se zabila v predoru
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/vid ... om=2107591
krivec za nesrečo se je javil sam...
Pekinški državni inštitut raziskave in projektiranje signalov in komunikacij na železnici...
The Beijing National Railway Research & Design Institute of Signals and Communications Co. Ltd.
link do China Post v angleščini: http://www.chinapost.com.tw/china/natio ... ailway.htm
Kaznovanja v okviru KP Kitajska pa so se tudi že začela...zaenkrat odpuščeni in izključeni trije šefi...
http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre76m ... ina-train/
zamislite si, da bi se zabila v predoru
»Problem z dejstvi je v tem, da jih je tako veliko.« Samuel McChord Crothers