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OdgovorNapisal/-a Re 4/4 » 27.04.2014, 16:33

Tapetar napisal/-a:OK, hvala za odziv.
Zdaj pa še eno 'otročje' vprašanje, ki me zelo zanima in ko smo ravno pri štirih OT na helgi in ostalih.
Ali je za vse 4 sisteme predviden svoj OT in če ni, zakaj so sploh štirje OT?


Če nima softwarsko naloženo 3 KV velja to:
milchy napisal/-a:
kolikor sem pa lahko videl, pa pri serijah 482 (vsaj pri tistih, ki vozijo na Js) za 15 kV uporabljajo oba notranja odkemnika, medtem, ko sta zunanja za vožno po Švici


Drugače klasično notranja 3 Kv, 15 in 25 Kv zunanja.
_Borsig_ napisal/-a:
A ne vozijo ÖBB-jevci celo od Dobove pa vse od Frankfurta/Main :?:


Če misliš EC 212 ne, samo vagone na sklep EC 112-ki pa gasa.
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OdgovorNapisal/-a maxima » 07.06.2015, 16:41

Niste malo zatavali? Prvo vprašanje je temeljijo na SŽ 541 910 (es 64 f4 010), z rdečimi boki [-X
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OdgovorNapisal/-a Re 4/4 » 07.06.2015, 17:30

maxima napisal/-a:Niste malo zatavali? Prvo vprašanje je temeljijo na SŽ 541 910 (es 64 f4 010), z rdečimi boki [-X


Drugo pa na razliko med Siemensom in Traxxom. :lol:
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OdgovorNapisal/-a maxima » 07.06.2015, 17:53

Nejko077 ni dobil odgovora, ni tako :x ?..... Poleg tega zanima tudi mene =P~
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OdgovorNapisal/-a Re 4/4 » 07.06.2015, 18:10

maxima napisal/-a:Nejko077 ni dobil odgovora, ni tako :x ?..... Poleg tega zanima tudi mene =P~


Ja kaj te pa zanima? Siemens es 64 f4; Uradna oznaka, je zelo podobna (malenkost posodobljena elektronika, bolj dodelana za kombinirano vleko: tovorna/potniška...) siemesu es 64 u4 (taurus). Jasno saj obe prihajata iz družine EuroSprinter. Po večini je v uporabi od Italije do Nizozemske, pa tudi Poljske. Zmožna je voziti v tandemu z vsemi verzijami taurusa.

http://www.marklinfan.net/Loco/ES64F4_0 ... 5_2005.jpg Tukaj imaš öbb zapis

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OdgovorNapisal/-a Re 4/4 » 07.06.2015, 19:57

maxima napisal/-a:"zaradi tehničnih razlogov"


In kakšni so tehnični razlogi, jaz jih dam brezplačno. :roll:

910

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Pa hitro, preden izginejo
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OdgovorNapisal/-a maxima » 09.06.2015, 11:53

Pa še eno vprašanje: zakaj se na prvi sliki helga ne odrine sama, sej je za 15 kv
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OdgovorNapisal/-a cokla » 10.06.2015, 13:05

Če bo kdo svoje prispevke iskal...@cokla je ogrel svoje prste. Sam tolk...v vednost. Naprej pa po pamet...
Zakaj dekleta povesijo oči, ko jim rečeš: "Ljubim te"?

Da bi videle, če je res !

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OdgovorNapisal/-a maxima » 24.07.2017, 18:30

Bilo je nekaj debate o pantografih... Tukaj je vse napisano, tudi oprema:
-Class 189-VA
When the delivery of the 189 series to Deutsche Bahn started, three different configurations for these machines were planned; VA 'Southern Europe', VB 'Central Europe' and VC 'Northern Europe'. It did however never come that far. By delivery, the main difference between these three types were different pantograph configurations. Additional equipment to really make services across the German borders possible were not installed, or not activated.

Theoretically, the VA configuration was the basis for a locomotive that is able to run in Germany and additionally a selection from Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Italy or Switserland. 189 001II-003II and 189 024-060 were delivered with configuration VA. Since then, all machines have been refitted as version VJ (DE / NL) or VM50 Hz (DE / PL / CZ).

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: CH, FR (AC), LU (AC), BE (AC)
Pos. 2: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC)
Pos. 3: DC: PL
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

-Class 189-VB
Based on their original pantograph configuration, a VB configured 189 could theoretically travel from Germany to Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Netherlands, Belgium, France or Luxembourg. DB 189 004-023 were delivered configured as such, but were not used outside of Germany.

As of February 2006, 189 003-012 got a restricted approval for the Czech Republic, being able to haul trains on the Bad Schandau - Decin route, but only with the electrical brake system turned off.

All locomotives have refitted meanwhile with the VM50 Hz package (DE / PL / CZ) or the VJ package (DE NL).

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: CH, FR (AC), LU (AC), BE (AC)
Pos. 2: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC)
Pos. 3: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC)
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

-Class 189-VB2
As international services were still postponed during the delivery of the 189 series, DB decided to save some money by no longer installing pantographs on 189 units that were of no use. DB 189 061-100 were delivered with only two pantographs. All are refitted now as VJ (DE NL) or VM 50Hz (DE PL CZ). 189 090-099 were sold to MRCE.

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO
Pos. 2: DC: -
Pos. 3: DC: -
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

-Class 189-VC
The VC configuration was originally planned for 189 051-100, but not applied up till now. Theoretically, the VC configuration could be used for service in Germany, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Poland, Netherlands, Belgium, France and Luxembourg.

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: PL
Pos. 2: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC)
Pos. 3: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC)
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

-Class 189-VD

The most common configuration for Dispolok ES64F4 locomotives during their first years of service. Dispolok ES64F4 001-033 were delivered as such. The VD sub type started only homologated for Germany, Austria and Italy, but its service domain expanded towards eastern Europe in October (Slovenia) and November (Croatia) 2005. Some machines also carry inscriptions telling us that they can additionally run in Bosnia, Serbia and Montenegro, but regular services in these countries have not become reality up till now.

safety systems aboard:
LZB/PZB, ETCS, RS4 Codici (old), SCMT (new)

currently homologated for:
DE, AT, IT, SI, HR

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: CH, FR (AC), LU (AC), BE (AC)
Pos. 2: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC)
Pos. 3: DC: PL
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

customers:
MRCE Dispolok, RTC, Lokomotion

-Class 189-VE
The VE configuration was first used for Dispolok ES 64 F4 locomotives that would be rented out to SBB cargo, back in 2003, initially only different from the VD type as an additional homologation for Switzerland was planned. This however proved to be more difficult than thought. Swiss Integra-magnets, the additonal package compared with the VD type, proved to interfere with Austrian systems. A solution was found in applying non-permant Integra-magnets that can be switched of. In 2005 the service domain got the same extensions towards Eastern Europe as the VD sub type. As from 2008 the new Italian signalling system SCMT is added to the package, in combination with the European ETCS System. ES 64 F4-094 and 098 were the first to also get the Dutch ATB system, making it possible for VE machines to run non-stop from Holland to Italy.

safety systems aboard:
LZB/PZB, ETCS, RS4 Codici (old), SCMT (new), ZUB/INTEGRA und ATB

currently homologated for:
NL, DE, AT, CH, IT, SI, HR

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: CH, FR (AC), LU (AC), BE (AC)
Pos. 2: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC)
Pos. 3: DC: NL (DC), CZ (DC), FR (DC), SK, LU (DC)
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

customers:
MRCE Dispolok

-Class 189-VF
In order to save costs, SBB Cargo decided to equip its ES 64 F4 locomotives (Re474 series) with train detection systems for Italy and Switzerland only. As the Swiss also operate a considerable fleet of locomotives that can run in Germany for example, the Re 474 series is only equipped to take over services that cross the Alps South-wards. SBB Cargo Re 474 002 was the first VF machine to be released with the new Italian system SCMT, in March 2009.

safety systems aboard:
RS4 Codici (old), SCMT (new), ZUB/INTEGRA

currently homologated for:
CH, IT

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: CH, FR (AC), LU (AC), BE (AC)
Pos. 2: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC)
Pos. 3: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC)
Pos. 4: AC: CH, FR (AC), LU (AC), BE (AC)

customers:
SBB Cargo, Nordcargo, IFI

-Class 189-VG
A configuration only used for both Hector Rail electrics, 441 001 and 002, delivered to Sweden in 2006. Only homologated for Sweden, as there were no ambitions with these machines to work on international corridors at that time.


safety systems aboard:
ATC

currently homologated for:
SE

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO
Pos. 2: -
Pos. 3: -
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

customers:
Hector Rail

-Class 189-VH
A configuration that required a lot of time and effort to get approved in Poland. MRCE Dispolok ES 64 F4-011 pioneered for this sake, a VD configured unit additionally eqquipped with the Polish SHP detection system. The homologation process finally took 16 months, resulting in a temporary approval in July 2007, followed by unrestricted access to the Polish network one year later.

safety systems aboard:
LZB/PZB, SHP, RS4 Codici

currently homologated for:
DE, PL, AT, IT, SI, HR

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: CH, FR (AC), LU (AC), BE (AC)
Pos. 2: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC)
Pos. 3: DC: PL
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

customers:
MRCE Dispolok

-Class 189-VH2
With the delivery of the 189 800 to the Muldentalbahn (MTEG) in December 2008, a second version of the VH configuration was introduced. As this machine was new and not a former VD configured machine, it is different from MRCE Dispolok ES 64 F4-006 and -011, as it is equipped for Germany, Austria and Poland only, resulting in a different pantograph configuration and only having LZB/PZB and SHP aboard. The VH2-indication is not a official name for this type, Siemens simply uses VH.

safety systems aboard:
LZB/PZB, SHP

currently homologated for:
DE, PL

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO
Pos. 2: DC: PL
Pos. 3: DC: PL
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

customers:
MTEG

-Class 189-VI
A sub type introduced with MRCE Dispolok demonstrator E 189 929 in 2008. Machines of the VI type are equipped for services under 3kV DC line voltage only (which does not mean that they are technically downgraded), and are built for the domestic Italian or Polish market. Where VP units are prodominantly built for Polish customers, the VI's will first go to Italy.

safety systems aboard:
SCMT, SHP

currently homologated for:
IT or PL

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: -
Pos. 2: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC) or PL
Pos. 3: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC) or PL
Pos. 4: -

customers:
MRCE Dispolok

-Class 189-VJ
Since 2004, the DB and Siemens were performing trials with 189 type locomotives to get them homologated in the Netherlands. Finally in 2007, DB 189 023 was chosen to be the prototype for the final homologation process and the first unit to get the full Dutch package. That year the ES 64 F4 got full access to the Netherlands, including the BetuweRoute, 26 DB units and 10 MRCE Dispolok (ex DB) units were retrofitted in 2007-2008 as sub type VJ. safety systems aboard:
LZB/PZB, ETCS, ATB

currently homologated for:
NL, DE

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO
Pos. 2: DC: NL (DC), CZ (DC), FR (DC), SK, LU (DC)
Pos. 3: DC: NL (DC), CZ (DC), FR (DC), SK, LU (DC)
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

customers:
DB Schenker, MRCE Dispolok

-Class 189-VK

Strange is that two different designations are being used for the same configuration; VK is as far as we know exaclty the same as VJ. VK was introduced with MRCE Dispolok ES 64 F4-028 and 033 in February 2008.

safety systems aboard:
LZB/PZB, ETCS, ATB

currently homologated for:
NL, DE

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO
Pos. 2: DC: NL (DC), CZ (DC), FR (DC), SK, LU (DC)
Pos. 3: DC: NL (DC), CZ (DC), FR (DC), SK, LU (DC)
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

customers:
MRCE Dispolok

-Class 189-VM / Class 189-VM 50Hz
In March 2009, ES 64 F4-020 was refitted with all equipment neccessary to run in the Czech Republic, Romania and Hungary. Combine this with the VD package which the machine already had, and a new confuration type was born. With a new service number in the ES 64 F4-15x range, the machine started trials in the Czech Republic in April 2009. In February 2010, the VM sub type was officially homologated for the Czech Republic. At that moment the 10 units got a temporary permit until 31.08.2010.

safety systems aboard:
LZB/PZB, SHP, Mirel

currently homologated for:
DE, AT, PL, CZ, SK, HU, SI, HR, RO

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO
Pos. 2: DC: IT, SI, HR (DC)
Pos. 3: DC: NL (DC), CZ (DC), FR (DC), SK, LU (DC)
Pos. 4: DC: PL

customers:
MRCE Dispolok

-Class 189-VO
First machine of sub type VO were spotted in December 2008. MRCE Dispolok ES 64 F4-021 and 022 were retrofitted in the previous months for services from the Netherlands to Polen and v.v. via Germany. This type did get a new designation: 189-VO.

safety systems aboard:
LZB/PZB, ETCS, ATB, SHP

currently homologated for:
NL, DE, PL

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: CH, FR (AC), LU (AC), BE (AC)
Pos. 2: DC: NL (DC), CZ (DC), FR (DC), SK, LU (DC)
Pos. 3: DC: PL
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO

customers:
MRCE Dispolok


-Class 189-VP
The VP configuration is equipped for services under 3kV DC line voltage only (which does not mean that they are technically downgraded), and are predominantly built for domestic services in Poland.

safety systems aboard:
SHP

currently homologated for:
PL

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: -
Pos. 2: DC: PL
Pos. 3: DC: PL
Pos. 4: -

customers:
MRCE Dispolok

-Class 189-VR
VR configurated machines are being built for Romanian operator Cargo Trans Vagon (CTV). They can be used in Romania or in Germany and Austria. Both service domains do not border on each other.


safety systems aboard:
LZB/PZB

currently homologated for:
DE, AT, RO

pantograph configuration:
Pos. 1: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO-
Pos. 2: -
Pos. 3: -
Pos. 4: AC: DE, AT, NL (AC), DK, SE, CZ (AC), HR (AC), HU, RO-

customers:
CTV

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